How to kill a community

One of the greatest things about the interwebz is its ability to bring together groups of people from all across the world to share their experiences and ideas on any given subject. At some point, these groups and discussions become so large and complex that relationships and communities start to form to hold things together. Within that, people will eventually either step up, or by virtue of their contribution, be considered responsible enough, to take on a role of leadership or authority. It’s just the natural order of things.

These are things I learned long ago. These are things that I know aren’t easy to manage or maintain, but they are a necessity.

What makes a community successful is when everyone, no matter their role or place in the scheme of things, can respect and abide by the order set in place. There will be conflict and there will be strife, but the one thing that remains is that we have to believe that it works. When that is lost, then things can rapidly take a turn for the worse.

This is something I never considered doing, but given some recent events, I think it’s the only option left.

To anyone that’s involved in the current ongoing dispute regarding the Podtacular community’s IRC channel and some of our administration in that area…STOP IT. Really. You’re all acting like children.

Maybe some of our members (including my fellow administrator Dialpex) think that’s a little harsh and counterproductive. Maybe it is. Nevertheless, it’s the truth. If you’re someone in this community that feels it’s necessary to undermine and take shots at the people in charge of things, then you just need to leave. There’s no simpler way to put it. You’re more than welcome to start up your own podcast and web community and see how much fun it is when you dread visiting your own site because of all the senseless bickering.

You might think I’m being melodramatic, I’m not. At some point in the last several months, I think all of us leading the Podtacular charge have grown tired of the unnecessary drama. Foo Mo Jive, JVB and Dialpex are all welcome to speak for themselves, but I can assure you, this community isn’t hardly as fun and engaging for me as it used to be. Call me disillusioned, but even the long-awaited launch of Halo 3 hasn’t done much to inspire my confidence in where our community is heading.

On the other hand, if you’re not involved or have no idea what I’m referring to, then it might be better that you don’t know. Just know that, yes, it involves Dialpex, several members of our community, both private and public exchanges and promotions/demotions that maybe should have/have not happened. For the most part, it’s a truly small matter that has since escalated into something that seems now beyond a simple resolution.

If you’ve taken the time to read this far, then I appreciate it, because that at least tells me that you care and want our community to succeed. You’re more than welcome to comment and even disagree, but remember to take a look at what you contribute to the discussion and evaluate if you really want to be here in the first place.

Thank you.

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29 Responses to How to kill a community

  1. ktp 11 says:

    I haven’t been on the in on this drama so I’ve been fine. I see what you mean though. I’ll say it again, arguing over the internet is STUPID. We always have fun when it’s all good, so let’s see if it gets back to its state of all good :D

  2. QualityJeverage says:

    Agreed.

    I’m not even sure what compels me to hang around here anymore. This place is like a damn kindergarten class. For god’s sake, we’re supposed to be here to talk about games, not organize hidden plans to overthrow leaders and start a fucking revolution.

    So some people don’t like some decisions made by certain admins. Tough shit. I might even share some of those concerns, but good lord, I don’t run around town firing weapons in the air screaming “Revolution!”.

    This is an internet forum, not an oppressive third-world country for christ’s sake, you don’t have to be here. If you don’t like what’s happening, then leaving is as easy as hitting the X button on your browser and making an account somewhere else.

    Other communities mock Podtacular all the time and I’ve always tried to stand up for us, but I can’t see why. Looking at the way people have behaved, those other communities are spot on.

    I have all the respect in the world for what Foo Mo has tried to do here, but I see no reason for me to stay here any longer unless something really big happens, which I don’t expect. I’ve always tried to be nice to everyone and stay calm but fuck it, I’m at the end of the line. The overwhelming majority of the active members on these forums are immature, confrontational, arrogant morons, the kind of people I would expect to see yelling at each other across the stage on an episode of Dr. Phil.

    For the sake of my own sanity, grow up. If you like Podtacular, enjoy the community and play Halo. If you’re not happy with it, then to be perfectly blunt, just get the hell out.

  3. shotgunfriendly says:

    woh woh woh woh woh woh woh! a huge argument that has gotten administrators in a fritzs? why is it that everywhere i go something bad happens =(. even in the ODST Recon we have had problems like this recently and i know about them cause i am a moderator there. man the internet is crazy. i really hope that somehow this can be resloved

  4. JVB says:

    Thanks for posting this Krunk. I don’t have any answers, so I’ll keep my opinions to myself. We just have to make sure that we keep things going for those who have stuck with us for so long.

  5. RandomSunchips says:

    I really love this community. Ever since I’ve been here it’s treated me well. I’d hate to see this community fall apart after the time I’ve been here. Please take your arguments somewhere else. It’s eating at the community. The administrators are only human and are bound to make mistakes. I know personally I’ve said some things in passing as a joke that’s nasty and hurtful about the admins, and I realize my mistake. I have faith in the administrators. Can’t you?

    My spelling and grammar may be off, my ideas inarticulate, but I stand behind Foo Mo, Krunk, and Dialpex. And JVB?

  6. The Hawk442 says:

    I can’t say I know about everything that Krunk has referred to, but the stuff I have witnessed needs to stop now.

  7. DarkspireFilms says:

    Most definitely. I really think that this community conveys that well. Everyone seems to participate in a way that just works. Really a lovely place to be.

  8. Painkilla05 says:

    I’ve been around since episode 1 and im sad to say that this community has been going downhill for awhile and unfortunately im not clever enough to devise a solution. :( I will say however that I plan on spening alot more time with the Second Foundation Community. Its been real guys!

  9. chuckiej says:

    I am proud of the leadership and how they have handled things in the past. I missed what happened recently but I’m hoping you guys used the same doses of grace and justice used previously. Thank you so much for making the tough choices!

  10. Arbitation says:

    … *shakes head* I really hope that this stops soon, I’ve only been around since H3 release, but I sure know that if this continues, there will be no Podtacular.

    I’m a bit pissed off that it has gone so far that Krunk has had to write this up!

    a very ashamed —Arbitation—

  11. Tapio says:

    Well im not hugely active at forums,so i have no idea what`s going on.
    BUT..if you are dinosaur and i see you next to a spartan..i will take you down 1st and then aim for the spartan lol
    No dinosaurs shall pass.

    back to topic..if there are some argues and “beef” going on..give BAN to the little kids(there are higher chances that they play with dinosaur too..so more power for me :) )

  12. Dialpex says:

    Im not going to come here and start a chain of apologies and another chain of those who are not pleased with my work. However i will come foward and say that the posts by CapnKrunk and QualityJeverage are the best two post ive ever read in this website. I know that sometimes we all have problems, we all have downfalls and we all have that extra improving room but to create frantic revolutions because one person doesn’t fit their need is just beyond any early immaturity level.

    However the problem doesn’t really lie on those who create all this but on those who support. Therefore creating a even bigger crowd of people who go against someone or an ideal that they’re not even sure anymore is wrong. Maybe that problem has already been addressed by another Admin and things are on the way of getting better. But the closed mind characters of each one of those has them hanging on previous “episodes” and keep them from seeing the bigger picture. The simplest thing need or needed to happen, which was to share some of those concerns with another Admins and it would have been addressed and resolved. However, some rather gather and literally [i]overthrown plans for tomorrow’s revolutions.[/i]

    [quote=”Krunk”]I think all of us leading the Podtacular charge have grown tired of the unnecessary drama. Foo Mo Jive, JVB and Dialpex are all welcome to speak for themselves, but I can assure you, this community isn’t hardly as fun and engaging for me as it used to be. Call me disillusioned, but even the long-awaited launch of Halo 3 hasn’t done much to inspire my confidence in where our community is heading.[/quote]

    I know i have grown tired of the drama. I think we need to spend more time gaming, laughing and sharing stuff that will edify as a community than just arguing and looking for that one moment when someone steps out of line to get them. We’re not here to hunt people down. I know im here for a different reason. Im here to share with people that seek the fun aspect of gaming and having a community relationship that still out there. Me, Krunk FooMo and JVB are here so we can use our time in order for everyone else to a good time by creating tournaments, creating a podcast, building this amazing site we have here, helping with the clans, helping with the matches, making relationship with other communities.

    Anyway I will end my post not with my own opinion but with one of the truest statements Ive heard in a while around here.

    [quote=”Jeverage]For god’s sake, we’re supposed to be here to talk about games, not organize hidden plans to overthrow leaders and start a fucking revolution.

    So some people don’t like some decisions made by certain admins. Tough shit. I might even share some of those concerns, but good lord, I don’t run around town firing weapons in the air screaming “Revolution!”.

    This is an internet forum, not an oppressive third-world country for christ’s sake, you don’t have to be here. If you don’t like what’s happening, then leaving is as easy as hitting the X button on your browser and making an account somewhere else.[/quote]

  13. lilkuke says:

    Guys,

    I agree with what Krunk is saying. Although I have not seen or heard about these people, I can feel for the administrators.

    Even though I’m not in your guys’ position, I know how it feels. To have a whole community on your hands, judging every move you make. Foo Mo Jive, you CHOSE to start this community, and it is a PRIVELAGE to everyone here.

    I’ve been at Podtacular for over a year, and I know that because of these recent events, some will end up leaving Podtacular. I’m gonna stick with it, but, that’s not the point. The point is, Podtacular is a fantastic website, and, with a fantastic community for the most part, and I would really hate to see it die because of people that have caused Krunk to write this. I love Podtacular. And I really want to see it live on. Because, under all of these people that are destroying this community, there ARE good people! And THEY are the only people that should be here! So please, I’m asking all of you, from the bottom of my heart, to please try to make an effort to make this community awesome. And if you don’t want to do that, leave now.

  14. Ulitma Killa says:

    I still don’t understand why people get so freakin pissed off whenever an Admin or Mod does something that doesnt go your way. I mean, sure, you might not like what they do or say, but you have to respect there decision. The Admins n Moderators are the people here who run the site and KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR IT. they have been here longer than most of you so please dont think you can do better or think of something better than what they say. I respect Dialpex, Krunk, Jeverage, Foo Mo, and all the other Moderators not just cause they help run the site n try to keep peace, but because they try to be good friends with everyone here.

    I agree that Podtacular is on a downhill, but i do believe if we try we can turn things around. Does anyone remember the dark age of Reputation? that was one of podtacular’s worst Downhill runs ever. But as the strong community we were, we turned that right around and were again a great site.

    So please, if you dont like the decisions that an Admin or Moderator makes, suck it up. If you dont like it tough, but atleast dont think you could do a better job because there is a reason that these people are there today. And if you musst leave this site for whatever reason it is. simply say your leave. you dont need the banhammer of dawn to take you out. This way if your name comes up in the future we can say “or yea i remember him, he was a respect member who just decided to leave” and not “oh HIM, he was a prick who flamed the site n got himself banned.

    but thats just my two cents

    -Ulitma

  15. kbcmmm7667 says:

    I just want to state that I don’t know what is going on. I have somewhat of an idea but I don’t know if its 100% true.

    I joined Podtacular in November. Ever since then I have “trolled” the forums, joined the Rec Clan, played with people in the community, helped out with PodTV and have played in a tournament.

    I know that for some of you that have been around since episode one have seen this community grow. I haven’t been given that opportunity but I’ll tell you something. I don’t want to have the opportunity to see this community fall. I know that I am a noobie here but this site has become part of my life. I post anywhere from 10 to 50 replies everyday.

    I agree with Jeverage. We need to get along. You are entitled to your opinion but having to argue and bicker over the internet just takes away from the fun of the game. I know many of you don’t agree with what the administrators say and heck I don’t agree with [i]everything[/i] they say but let me ask you this. [i]How many events have you organized here?[/i] The administrators poor their hearts into this site and have been for over two years.

    So you may not agree with a few of their opinions or decisions. Well than compromise. Fighting over the internet is why so many parents don’t want there kids on these sites. Now please just do me a favor. Just do your best. Your [i]very[/i] best to get along with each other. I want this community to last more than I want to get straight A’s on my report card.

    Just one last thought. Think of Foo Mo. He has created this empire. He has made sure it is fun and exciting. He has maintained it for over [i]two years.[/i] Now think what would happen if we let this fight last longer. Two years of not just Foo Mo’s life but hundreds of other’s too. Now are we really going to through this all away over a stupid argument? I hope not.

    I am sincerely sorry for anything I could of done to provoke [i]any[/i] arguments on this site. My only goal is to make sure this community is strong and can get along.

    KBC

  16. Chevelle65 says:

    edit

  17. Anorexic Leader says:

    I agree with Dialpex and my buddy KBC. I’m not a “Seasoned Veteran” on this site, but I do love it to death. I would hate seeing this place break up over small petty stuff. I’m sorry if I may of caused anything to happen. (but I don’t think I did) I’m cool with everyone on this site, and if your not cool with me, then I don’t care, I still like you anyways. Lets not mess up the good thing we have going here guys (and gals)….

    All in favor of a group hug…Say “Aye”. lol.

  18. foomojive says:

    don’t worry about being a “seasoned veteran” my friend because that means absolutely nothing. what matters is simply whether you’re part of the solution or part of the problem. We’re fighting to make podtacular what it should be. It’s people like us that just want to be nice that are making this a fun and friendly place to be. Seniority can be a crutch for the proud sometimes. Like bringing a straw to a javelin throwing contest, it just doesn’t go very far when it comes down to it.

  19. Dust Storm says:

    I’m in the same boat as KBC in a way. I check the site and forums about 7 times a day and post at least 3 times a day. I do my part in submitting to the podcast and helping run the PC Clan. I don’t know the extent of the problems, but we are here as a community, and as a community, we are supposed to help eachother, not tear down any specific person or group of persons. I didn’t think the situation was as bad as it has been advertised and I am sad to see what the post is addressing.

    I don’t see why we can’t all get along. If an admin does something you don’t agree with, talk to them; they are rational people. I’ve talked to all the admins, and they are all considerate when you have a problem with something.

    Also, think about how much time the admins put into keeping the podcast, the site, and the community going. They don’t have mounds of time on their hands and just do this for no reason. They keep things maintained because they [u]care[/u] about it. Think about them when you are about to dis them or the community because of something you do not like or agree with. If you are not here to better the community, GTFO; we don’t want you here.

  20. Swift Ninja1 says:

    Sice I’ve been here for only a little while, I haven’t seen very many problems. But if there are problems, I will gladly be part of the solution. I would never want to be part of the problem. Podtacular is what got me started in Halo and communities, so I will do whatever it takes to help out with Podtacular!

  21. plasma qrenades says:

    I agree Krunk, Ive been trying to avoid all the drama, most of it is extremely pointless

  22. marooner says:

    I agree, I have always enjoyed podtacular exept for the immature people that stay here and fuck everything up because they wine all the time! It is a common fact that no community is perfect, but what we can do is make it better and that is what i’d like to be a part of.

  23. ManOfPopsicle says:

    Holy balls guys, let’s mature a little bit here.
    [quote=ktp 11]I’ll say it again, arguing over the internet is STUPID.[/quote]
    The only reason people should EVER argue over the internet is if you are defending yourself. Even then, don’t you think that’s a bit childish?

  24. Spoofmaniac says:

    Wow. Sorry for my not hugely long post but what happened? I leave this place for one goddamned month and something big happens?

  25. face head says:

    wait, i havent been around latley..can anyone tell me whats going on? a revolution? please, i feel lost…

  26. Pengwin Smacker says:

    I absolutely agree with Krunk’s post. Although I don’t know what exactly happened, since I haven’t been very active lately, I’ve seen the effects of pointless arguing firsthand, and it’s not good at all. I would hate to see this gracious, wonderful community be destroyed, especially in this manner. All the immaturity needs to stop. We are all mature people here, and the ones who don’t show it need to step up, stop whining, and show it, before this incredible community goes to waste. To all the people who we’re involved in what happened in the bad way, please hear us out. We all love Podtacular; please don’t ruin it all for us. Just be mature and help us get this community back to the way is once was: a place where people could come together, play some Halo, and be friends. Thank you.

    -Pengwin Smacker

  27. Unicorn of Love says:

    podtacular has always been a fun place for me. I actually built a phpbb3 forum set for my church because I enjoyed the forums so much here. Be careful what you say on forums…i’ve learned that any type of text format posting can go the wrong way quick. Congratulations on almost reaching episode 150. None of this has been a waste…what a community you’ve created fellas.

    -Unicorn of Love

  28. Virgoblu says:

    I don’t know what’s going on here but I’m all about community. From what I’m reading, I only have one thing to say…”If you think you can do it better, go do it”. I’ve had a few bumps here but I respect what you guys are doing. Peace.

  29. TheRussianKoLob says:

    To be honest, I don’t think I have ever seen so much drama like this even at my high school or at any other school for that matter! This is absolutely absurd all of the stuff that is happening. I mean, seriously, a revolution? What has caused all of this madness to consume fellow members of Podtacular? And why is all of it focused at Dialpex? The man has not done anything to lead the community astray, and if he did, it was undoubtably accidental. If it had been on purpose, I’m sure that Foo Mo and the others would have stopped it. Contrary to what people think, and not trying to brown nose or kiss ass, but Dial is a pretty smart guy and knows what he is doing. And when Krunk has to fear coming onto the website that he basically created from scratch, doesn’t that mean we have really crossed a line. Anyways, Krunk, I am behind you, and hopefully, the Podtacular Marines are behind you too.

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